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Old 08-25-2005, 08:01 AM
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Unhappy Problem with Human Subjects forms!!!

im doing a project on how your personality type affects your gestures and social ability. It involves asking about twenty people a number of questions like "what was you scariest moment" or "what is the strangest thing you have ever witnessed in public". Then, while their talking, i record their hand gestures and how long it takes them to answere my survey. My PROBLEM is the Human Subject forms that have to be filled out with EACH participant. The forms include a description of my project, a signature form a medical professional, an administrator and a parent signature from the participant. I want to know how i can get out of these forms because my research doesnt involve "testing" on the induvidual, i'm simply observing. Im going to try to send a letter to the science fair officials but i dont know how long it takes and if theyll approve. If you have any ideas on how i coulld change my project or get out of filling out TWENTY of these forms, PLEASE PLEASE help me out!
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what exactly do the rules of the science fair say? Could you point me to a website?
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You only need one signature from the mediacal offical and adminastrator. Get the particapant to fill out the form for you... It is pretty simple.
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what exactly do the rules of the science fair say? Could you point me to a website?

[url]http://www.sciserv.org/isef/document/index.asp[/url]
This site will pretty much have everyhting you need to know for the science fair. IT kind of confuses me so if you find some sort of way out of it i would be very happy. Ive talked to a few friends in the same situation and they are trying to send in letters of approval to the ISEF board but im afraid it will take to long and i have a deadline. Please reply ASAP.

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Man, that's a BIG site...can you tell me which specific link you were looking at - maybe I can help.
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You only need one signature from the mediacal offical and adminastrator. Get the particapant to fill out the form for you... It is pretty simple.
Have you done a project like this before or had to do the forms?? if you have could you explain it to me. I dont want to have to send these 20 forms home with random ppl for their parent signature because i know ill never get them back. I just think having to do these forms is ridiculous because my proj. does not involve physically testing on human subjects and i dont need any personal information. im simply watching tham answere questions.

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Man, that's a BIG site...can you tell me which specific link you were looking at - maybe I can help.
Once you get to the site, scroll down untill you see 2006 rules and regulations. Youll have to download it to an Adobe reader. You can press [ctrl] + F to bring up a SEARCH box and type in Human Subjects Forms. Hope you can help.

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Have you done a project like this before or had to do the forms?? if you have could you explain it to me. I dont want to have to send these 20 forms home with random ppl for their parent signature because i know ill never get them back. I just think having to do these forms is ridiculous because my proj. does not involve physically testing on human subjects and i dont need any personal information. im simply watching tham answere questions.

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Ask your science teacher to make it homework. Tell them they get a few minutes out of science class(to test). Whoever doesn't return it can't particapate.
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Thanks SeptemberMagic for the very practical advise :P

I do feel too that the right way to do it would be to submit the form to the review board and get them to confirm that there's little risks (ie: that this experiment falls in the "minimal risk category" where infomed consent is recommended but not required. Then you can probably go ahead with your experiment on that basis.
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Ask your science teacher to make it homework. Tell them they get a few minutes out of science class(to test). Whoever doesn't return it can't particapate.
Thanks for the advice but i doubt that will work (ill try it anyway) i think ill just have to interview ppl over 18, thatll make it a little easier, and other than that, ill just send all that stuff in like normal. Im just afraid it will take FOREVER. Anyway, thanks again.

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