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Amon L'isa 12-13-2005 03:36 PM

Waking Up
Antony de Melo has written a book, called "Waking up".This thread is not about the book, it's about real Waking up... Getting us out of this ilusion... Don't you just get bored with all this sadness? Wars? Anger? Or just egoism that's a reason for all of it... can ppl change themselves? You probably tried but still you can't change what u are.The only thing taht shoul worry you is... YOURSELF"

wisteria 12-14-2005 03:07 AM

I must agree and it's true but we can change in spirit and soul but not the body...:eek:

we all change as we grow our spirit or soul and body in our life...:eek:

Amon L'isa 12-15-2005 03:40 PM

First, must admitt that I wrote this with no title... What we are disscusing about is-Philosophy of Ilusion.

So, I think that we cannot change. Ppl can't change their spirit, or soul. You can say that u did, but somwhere deep inside of u is- ur ego.Then again we have people, starting from Budha,till today, (zen-budhists, hinduists), that claim that they have given up on their human life. But another problem pop up: Nobody can understand them. Have u ever thought what kind of person would you be, if you stop, for eg... being angry? Or sad, or I don't know what... from philosofic, and religious side u can. But how can you live without your emotions. You won't be a human anymore. You would, surely be somethnig higher. But when I say that they have no emotions, I mean on those that are creted by our ego:anger, hate, jelousy, or just feel trapped insinde of ur own body. BUT, feelings for REAL beauty never vanishes!

So, let's say that you found uot the real truth. Or a worldwith no evil.And you feel that like. You think that pl will understand? Do you think that ppl will have a BIT of understanding??? The answer is "NO". Why? Becouse, you are not one of themanymore.

So let's ask ourselves. Is there a better place to live? Yeah go on Tibet, or India, or somewhere where there are many ppl like u. Are you ready to let go everything? I don't think so.
Jesus said, u can come with me only if u are untied, from ur family, those that u know.
Go... but firlst u have to die. Die for those that u have left...

wisteria 12-15-2005 09:25 PM

Sorry I'm confused???:confused:

Amon L'isa 12-18-2005 06:38 AM

Oh... I'm sorry. I'm very sorry.:)) Me and my thoughts... I guess it was too much. I'm interested in a complicated part of philosophy and partly-psihology, about ilusions. And their philosophy. But in the most cases u can't understand anything, unles u live it a bit. It's about religion and human understandings. Pretty hard to understand, so u better don't:))));)
My fault.

wisteria 12-19-2005 03:44 AM

well what type of illusion? there are may types of meaning... so what type are you talking about?
do you do a Philosophy course?:confused:

Amon L'isa 12-20-2005 03:20 PM

No I don't but I'm pretty well familiar with it.I read many books, and I write sometimes. It's interesting to study philosophy when u have million exsamples around. Only if u can see it.
Well, when I say illusion in this case it means illusion in which we live.I watch it thislike:We live in our own ilusion. All bad feelings that makes u so angry or nervous are ur fault not somebodys else. In my opinion, the main goal of every human on this planet is to become a child again, to pure his soul. But in the end, I've realised that's not possible. It just isn't.

SmartyC 12-20-2005 03:31 PM

Here for a reason
I think everyone is on this Earth for one reason... to work for tomorrow. Once you die you can inally retire and live.

Your ideas on illusions are wonderful and very advanced

hope keep it up

wisteria 12-21-2005 03:05 AM

I agree SmartyC and I think steven hawkings (sorry about the spelling) said something about us seeing how we are and how we see we exist... is that true?:confused:

Amon L'isa 12-21-2005 07:19 AM

Thanks SmartC.I have thought about this a lot, and it is all pretty simple, and pretty complicated at the same time. We are talking about simple and genral psihology, becouse we are discusing about how does experience affects on our seeing of the ppl and place around us. But, if so, then philosophy wouldn't exist, wouldn't it? THERE IS MORE
ppl are very complicated biengs... It is known that whole science is agreed about that the human brain is the most known complicated creature in the whole universe!!! u wouldn't beleive it!
And till only 5% of it has been explored. yeap. So, it would be pretty stupid if we limit our thoughts and understandings just on the psihology. And there we see that Ancient Greeks were very smart people:) They thought that ppl area creture of universe. BUT WHAT'S MORE INTERESTING IS THAT JUST A HuMAN PRESENTS A SMALL UNIVERSE. And that's truth. You read Alchemist. That is not unreal. WHO knows what kind of biengs are we? Who knows that all of us are actually able to move things by just looking at it? Or to turn into a wind. You say it is impossible!? Oh please, think again. YOU don't even know what are u gonna do with ur life, not to think about some stupid things, like what's gonna happen with us, and who u are. Don't think about that becose the nature won't let u. U MUST REMAIN WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW.
We can reach Mars, Europe(the Jupiters moon) or Titan? But we will never REALLY leave our Earth. Why? Becouse she's our mother. Weather we were created by God or somethin else, we belong to her.
So... we are just Phibonachy's line of number. No end. Just like verything. Can u count to the end? Can u see who u are? U can only guess...

SmartyC 12-21-2005 03:16 PM

I agree with you totally! We are on Earth for a short period of time and I think you should enjoy every moment. We are here to finish a project even if we don't notice it.

Live life to the fullest:)

Amon L'isa 12-22-2005 05:51 AM

What do u mean "to finish the project"? What project?:(

SmartyC 12-23-2005 11:43 AM

"Project"- the task God has made for us.

All of our life has been planned by Him.

Sorry if there was a misunderstanding!:D

rachaelroxursox2 12-25-2005 04:01 PM

this morning when I was sleeping/awake up I wasn't all the way awake but I relized I was sleeping and no longer in my dream. I know how stupid that sounds but thats how it went.:)

wisteria 12-27-2005 07:51 PM

what you say is true but why are thinds the way it is like poor and rich?:confused:

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